866-295-4143, fbns@wayoflife.org. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. No personal grievances causing a rift. Never miss a big news story again. That idea hadnt occurred yet. One breach is violating strict confidentiality. Michael Gatlin, who led the church for 25 years, stepped down last week rather than cooperate with the investigation into his son, a former assistant pastor at Vineyard. Emily McFarlan Miller - Religion News Service, Image: Screengrab / Vineyard Anaheim YouTube. This church was built and paid for by the contributions of generations of Vineyard people, as well as by the donation to Vineyard Anaheim of the building that housed Vineyard Ministries International and Vineyard Music, Kim stated in a letter co-signed by the rest of the national Vineyard board. Once again, the Vineyard Church of Columbus, Ohio is in the news. Good brothers and sisters. God sent Tornonto as judgment and the wider church repeated Judahs sin learning nothing. If they were truly following God, they would do what is right regardless of covenant or no covenant, they would be afraid to do what is wrong in Gods eyes. The Lord took me by the hand & led me in a beautiful dance. Presumably there was no vote by the Anaheim Vineyard congregation to leave the denomination. And they had no formal training or seminary requirements. Thanks for sharing it. Praying for recovery and restoration," writes one person. By March 17, Scherer wrote that he was afraid we may never see eye-to-eye on what it means to be obedient to the calling of the Holy Spirit. It is now 2014 and the church is considering further legal options. A megachurch Vineyard pastor in Kansas City was suspended for multiple issues, including addiction, and confessed to a "moral failing" against his wife of more than 30 years. In the post we discussed a lawsuit against Vineyard Church of Columbus, Ohio. They are digging in. At the same time, it received its fair share of criticism from other Christians for embracing practices that were not condoned in the Bible. The special case that the current investigation is supposed to be about is indicative of the church's decades-long dealings with perpetrators in its own ranks: the priest who was sentenced to . Thank you for covering this, Roys Report! Well, you are second class because the Spirit is not in you. Creedy, who has written on the Anaheim churchs separation, expanded on those concerns. Preachers Who Are Not Believers Oy Vey!!! "The decision to be open and honest about everything really goes back to our core DNA," he said. But in the light of their complete refusal to do so with anyone, I have to say this decision (is) morally wrong. The pastors and staff will continue to have the day-to-day responsibilities of making things happen here at the Vineyard as they always have. I have personally appealed to the Scotts for a conversation, just to understand, as a friend, without judgment, he wrote. This style would help all Vineyard and similar progressive churches to grow properly, develop real leaders, and discourage any genuine pastor from getting too far ahead of his flock. We still do not fully understand the reasons that the leadership of Vineyard Anaheim has chosen to leave the Vineyard movement, it said. The initial lawsuit was filed in 2011. Something is broken in the system, she said. A 12-member search committee voted unanimously to hire the Scotts, according to an email sent this month by longtime Anaheim church member Greg Scherer to the national leadership as a representative of the church board. The Legionaries of Christ sex abuse scandal has tarnished the legacy of Pope John Paul II, who led the church from 1978 until his death in 2005. There is no salvation to be found in the church (a little c) only in Jesus. We love them, and will always, as a church, extend our open arms of grace, mercy, and compassion to them. I can see why a church would want to remove the branding on their name and marketing. I am surprised that pastor isnt in trouble with the state for professional abuse. Accountability, transparency, openness is a vastly healthier model. He introduced himself to me and I responded by making Him my Lord and Savior, taking hold of his hand never letting go. The song the worship band is singing is His Banner over Me. A lot. The Pentecostal movement, from its inception, has been marred deeply by moral scandals and deception, and nothing has changed. We as a board are committed to Fred's healing, his wellbeing, and to see him someday walk in freedom with our Lord. This lack of accountability has been called out. Engaging in a romantic or sexual relationship with a client is a crime that will be punished by the state and will at the least ensure a loss of livelihood. Lets take a look at some of the issues inherent in this case. Weak after Weak. ?..We do not worship a history, a building, or John Wimber, we worship our King. Sadly, Pentecostalism which sees itself as a movement where the Holy Spirit can shape individuals and congregations to reflect the Christ-centered teaching of the New Testament has abandoned its heritage and modeled itself after corporate America. July 1990 Columbus Vineyard pastor, Rich Nathan, tweeted, God does speak today! Is Vineyard Anaheim still a local community of believers free to step into the story of God as the Spirit leads? Scherer wrote on behalf of the California church board. Let us examine our own hearts and lives and let Jesus heal us all through His living presence. This action doesnt pass the Spirit-filled smell test in our opinion. Contrast this with the actual practice of counseling by comparatively unprepared, untrained pastoral staff. The Star Tribune generally does not name the accused until they have been charged. Late Vineyard leader John Wimber founded the charismatic church in 1977. For me and my family..this feels like an utter betrayal and that our church has been abducted. I appreciate you covering this. Echoing the Vineyard USA boards weeks of requests to the church, national director Pathak told The Roys Report via e-mail: We believe there should be no gap between accountability and relationship.. With multiple debt-free buildings on 5.7 acres in Orange County, Vineyard Anaheim is estimated to be worth tens of millions. Gatlin never provided the statement despite seemingly knowing that not responding by a designated deadline could cause the loss of his job. There is nothing more irreligious than self-absorbed religion. J.I. Three things that make any church suspect are (1) keeping the pastors salary a secret, and (2) keeping the budget a secret, and (3) not having any oversight by a denomination, no way for members to appeal a disputed decision of the leadership to a higher authority. The recent public announcement comes weeks after a dinner meeting on February 24 between the Scotts and Pathak, who had been national director for only seven weeks. They gave Pathak an envelope with a letter. Vineyard Church must face lawsuit over counseling pastor's affair JoAnne Viviano, The Columbus Dispatch An appeals court has ruled that a lawsuit can move forward against a Columbus megachurch. Some with close connections to the church feel deeply betrayed by the disassociation. I also have complete confidence in the Lord to lead us in this difficult time.". Let this be an opportunity to make our church healthier and draw us closer to Jesus. Pastors have a duty to shepherd the flock but for me, my family and long-time congregants it feels like the ultimate self-serving betrayal. The man subsequently got into a car crash and broke his neck. That explosion, say leaders of the Vineyard Christian Fellowship, is a new era in God's kingdom, marked by massive healings and conversions. He became a Christian at age nine after watching the Jesus film and joined a small group of Christians that became part of the Vineyard. We really do not need to know further detail; it is clear who was favored, looked out for, in this situation. From the Columbus Dispatch linked above: The complaint alleges that Robbins asked the woman to relate her sexual history to see how the demonic could possibly be in play. The woman told him she had been sexually abused as a child by three men in positions of authority, the complaint said. It was a natural extension for us to say we've got someone here that's walked an (errant) pathway and we want to help restore him. Christy Wimber, John Wimbers ex-daughter-in-law, who was mentored by him in ministry, said on social media that this is a spiritual hijacking. It also appears that the leaders dumped the predator quietly in order to protect their rapidly declining image. Sickened.). God does speak today! Rich Nathan, pastor emeritus of Vineyard Columbus, the largest Vineyard church in the country, wrote on social media this week. Its the false deceptive declarations by the top apostles abounding. I recently saw a documentary that followed 9 of the most influential ministries today where God is moving. Christy Wimber, ex-daughter-in-law and ministry protg of John Wimber, called the move confusing and heartbreaking in an Instagram post. Thank you, this detail has been corrected. Janet you are in my heart. It was a favorite of Vineyard's to tell from the pulpit. No kidding. The flagship congregation of the charismatic Vineyard movement, with over 2,400 churches worldwide, has announced its plans to split from Vineyard USA in a move Vineyard leaders are calling an extreme betrayal.. But does the Anaheim congregation support this move? And this is the place where I met Jesus. "One of our values is transparency, yet we are not going to say anything more about the allegations at this time because we need to protect the ongoing investigation and any victims. He assured them, though, that many things wouldnt change. He said he wouldnt be talking about the details until the process was further along, but he wanted the congregation to know what was happening. "Our community is responding to allegations of misconduct against one of our pastoral assistants, Jackson Gatlin. The pastors were 100% in charge. The sad reality of this situation is it demonstrates to the world (read this as unchurched) that the church (read this as the Body of Christ) is actually no different than the world. He is light and He is life. . However, Greig stepped down as of March 19, multiple sources close to the situation confirmed. Whatever can be shaken is going to happen. Money and reputation trump what is right which begs the question, does any of this really have anything to do with God? I just graduated from college got in the car and headed west. Driven by the profoundly deceptive spirit of antichrist while totally disregarding the Biblical spirit of prophecy. According to the Columbus Dispatch. Alan Scott has served for four years as Vineyard Anaheims lead pastor. I am incredibly thankful that I do not bear this responsibility alone. She had been sexually abused as child by three men who were authority figures. They ascribe an appearance of godliness to it, but it rejects the power of true obedience to Jesus. A few days later, the Vineyard USA board of trustees reached out to the churchs board to see if it would be possible to discuss the disassociation and other possible alternatives. I sure wouldnt want to have to answer for invoking the Holy Spirit as cover for an utter lack of transparency. Ohh, in those days it just curled the hair of many, no? In addition, the leadership of the National Association of Vineyard Churches is providing counsel to the Board of Directors as is a team from PastorServe, an organization which comes alongside churches and church leaders in situations like this. Kids should always be the top priority. The disagreement appears to tap into deeper Vineyard tensions over what it means to follow the Holy Spirit. What once was so wonderful ended up damaging so many believers. They seem to know something others dont and are positioning accordingly. Support and pray for Janet and Fred as they navigate this unforeseen journey. Im not at a midnight dance club but Im @ the 6:00pm night service @ the Anaheim Vineyard. When youre looking for a place to fellowship Alan Scott preaching at Vineyard Anaheim on Sunday. Could it be perhaps that unaccountable leadership is bad practice ? David Cloud, Way of Life Literature, P.O. Subscribe to CT for less than $4.25/month. to all those who are truly hurt, may the Lord heal you. The Scotts went on to state their affection for the movement was undimmed and they would continue to honor the Vineyard, but they were nonetheless parting ways. And of course money. Patheticand true. Brother Maynard and Janet, I do not have full details to their side, so I can only go by what I read or hear on internet, and by reading and discerning with the Word of God. Until the Body of Christ overcomes their need for power (just like the world) then our ability to be a true light in the darkness is dimmed. Fairly sure that the Scotts moved from Northern Ireland, not northern Ireland; just as they now live in the United States of America, not the united States of America. Apostle Paul was led by the Lord into unknown and unchartered territory. On March 20, Vineyard Anaheim announced the church was "withdrawing from the Association of Vineyard Churches" in a statement from its seven-member board of directors. Alan Scott announced the disassociation to the Anaheim congregation on Sunday, March 20, a little more than three weeks after he and Kathryn wrote their disassociation letter. Like all of us, Fred needs the grace of Jesus for healing and forgiveness. National Vineyard leadership is not so sure thats the Holy Spirit speaking. Prior to this I was under the covering and teaching at The Church on the Way pastored and anchored in my Jesus walk of 40 years by one of the greatest and most anointed bible teachers of the century, Pastor Jack Hayford. Preaching, to People, in Pews I'm sure we all will need it. Vineyard USA board chairman John Kim asked pointedly in a March 19 letter to the churchs board: What do you need to say in private about this decision that cannot be said publicly?. 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This post raises the question of dual, exploitative and abusive relationships again. These things matter, especially in that part of the world. Dwayne 'The Rock' Johnson thinks he redeemed himself. The county and appellate courts said the evidence did not support the churchs claim that the family had agreed to such a policy. Nick Bulbeck: I know what you mean, but Im starting to think that actually behaving like Jesus were alive makes a really good Christian virtue. But the board of Vineyard Anaheim repeatedly rejected the national boards request for a recorded meeting. Where is the accountability when you can just say the Spirit spoke to me and said follow me this way,wait,what? The Clergy Projects goal is to support members as they move beyond faith. Would you consider making a tax-deductible donation to help our journalists continue to report the truth and restore the church? He now says it is sobering to observe what path the Scotts have taken. I wonder if there was a vote by the Board of Directors that any nonprofit corporation must have to legally exist. According to the Columbus Dispatch the woman and her husband agreed to handle disputes only via biblically based mediation or binding arbitration when they became members of the church But this!!? I love Fred. We stayed through the decades through all the highs and lows. So they are leaving. A lower court ruledin favor of the lawsuit proceeding. Under the original John Wimber design, it was really good. My thoughts too. If he cannot give Anaheim people strong reasons for withdrawing from VUSA so that they can decide if his actions are proportionate and reasonable, if he takes the wealth and estate of VA away from the original vision, how is it that he doesnt simply decide to form a Bethel styled community elsewhere in Orange County and let VA stay with what they have always been, even if that means rebuilding again? Its a strange position for a Vineyard church to take as most do not have a formal membership process. That is messed up! The church in Anaheim became an unofficial headquarters and, for many, a sacred space. No one can offer another opinion because the Spirit spoke. Keep in touch with Julie and get updates in your inbox! Vineyard leaders around the world are reeling. Who Will Pay for the SBCs Abuse Reforms Over the Long Term? [3] [4] In early 1975, thirteen groups met at the Beverly Hills Women's club. In keeping with our Nepotism Policy and best practices, the investigation and employment decisions related to Jackson Gatlin are overseen independently from Michael and Brenda Gatlin," the church said. I would think at some point they have to announce to the congregation what is happening. NO! (RNS) When leaders of a well-known Southern California congregation decided to leave the Vineyard USA an influential charismatic movement they knew the church would need a new name. "The extent of some of these issues has only come to light in the last seven to 10 days, even to his wife, Janet.". Jesus is still on the throne. She developed a sexual addiction due to her abuse and wanted help in dealing with it. The division isnt theological, pastor Alan Scott told Vineyard Anaheim, the California congregation he and his wife, Kathryn, have led for four years. On the other hand, if the Scots and the Riddles are acting in an impure manner, then my prayer is for God to grant them hearts of repentance. In a written statement, Vineyard Columbus said: We take the safety and security of our children very seriously and we have policies and procedures in place to ensure our church is a safe place for young people.. Transparency in making clear to all the reasons for church development and change. It is not unusual for new senior pastors to request that all board members resign when they are installed as leaders, the churchs statement reads in part. Very harsh words spoken that Anaheim Vineyard was betrayed by Pastor Scott. It feels like your parents are selling your childhood home.. Of course, I do understand why really; we all do. The state health department's database of homicides, suicides and other preventable fatalities is unique for demographic details, inclusion of police shootings. © 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022 - The Wartburg Watch. It was commonly said you vote with your feet. That's as true now as when Paul wrote that letter to the Romans Jesus is indeed our Lord and He loves us way more than we'll ever know. But even that time investment disappears when you have church members taking weekend classes and then collecting the information from vulnerable laity needing help, ad then passing along the juicy tidbits to church leadership who are not bound by confidentiality especially when the information includes sinful behavior. Jackson Gatlin speaks on July 3, 2022, at Vineyard Church in Duluth, Minnesota. Jesus is the most . We see this is the third article this month youve found worth reading. The Special Committee members are Ben Mork (chair), Ann LaCosse, Jerry Lieffring, and Gerry Nierengarten. A married mothersought counseling fromPastor Steven Robbins, one of 30 pastors of the largeVineyard Churchof Columbus (Ohio.) The Lord impressed on me that while everyone can see Babylon coming closer the church has forgotten history and Nahum. If so, then this pastor isnt being a renegade. Opinion: What is Revivaland is it Happening at Asbury? When The Roys Report reached out to Vineyard Anaheim for clarification on several details, a church spokesperson said the church had no comment. dee: Forgiveness and repentance are amongst the most overlooked of Christian virtues. http://wildgoosechase.org/2012/07/church-discipline-and-restoration/#more-5446, No word on the person he took advantage of, but hey, hes been restored to fellowship and all is well. Rich Nathan was a lawyer by trade if memory serves me. Therefore whoever becomes a friend of the world makes themselves an enemy of God. Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. He then led the movement from Vineyard Anaheim, beginning in 1982 until his death in 1997. It is a betrayal of any decent understanding of Godly relationship.. In 2011, the family proceeded with a lawsuit, naming the pastor, the church and the denomination. At the time, Vineyard Anaheim only had about 300 people in regular attendance, but a remarkable heritage, 5.7 acres of prime Orange County real estate, and a debt-free building. "As part of his employment, Michael had been repeatedly directed to cooperate fully with both any law enforcement investigation and our independent organization," Vineyard said in a message to members. Think of it this way: If you sought counseling in California, your counselor (therapist is the title given to licensed professionals) has sacrificed time (3,000 hours or TWO YEARS of supervised practice), tuition, study (a REAL earned graduate degree), and has agreed to be held to a code of professional ethics which among other things, bars her/him from engaging in a dual relationship with all clients both during therapy *and for years after* it has ceased. The church lostits appeal ONLY because they did not clearly state that mediation was part of their membership agreement. I have also experienced spiritual abused from the Vineyard Churches in central Ohio. What do they have to gain? The widow of John Wimber, founder of the Vineyard movement, has accused Alan and Kathryn Scott of stealing their "brother's house" and of "actions that are screaming dishonor" after the pastors of Vineyard Anaheim announced the church would be officially disassociating from the charismatic denomination. Believers are to demonstrate perfect oneness to the watching world but brand naming demonstrates DIVISION. | YouTube/Vineyard Anaheim In a move that has "grieved" Vineyard USA, Vineyard Anaheim, the "mother church" of the movement, announced Sunday that it is officially disassociating from the charismatic denomination. To donate, click here. The Duluth Police Department confirmed at the time that it was looking into the allegations and encouraged anyone with a similar experience to call 911 to file a report or to call 218-726-1931, the helpline for Program for Aid to Victims of Sexual Assault (PAVSA). I truly am sorry to see the hurt everyone is in. In 2014, a mega church church pastor told me that large donors threatened to stop giving to his church unless Vineyard USA put a stop to what I was doing in my local church several states away. Praying for Janet, our pastors, our church body, and our community. Apparently, they did not agree that the family hadagreed to biblical mediation upon becoming members since itwas not clearly spelled out. Hmmm. These are the folks who will know all that we know and will control our response to the investigation.". In particular, the sinners who had no power or standing without him. Did not John Wimber step into a fresh call? The national board told Vineyard Anaheim that the local churchs historic ties to Vineyard are financial as well as spiritual. Also, we will care for and protect Janet, Fred's wife, as she goes through an extremely difficult time. Boards packed with staff (who typically server at the pleasure of the pastor) and outside allies of the pastor seem to be a frequent feature in the churches whose questionable behavior lands them on the pages of this blog. Gatton was a mental health worker with Ohio Guidestone. Packer, Knowing God, In 2014, we wroteProof That Its Not a Membership Covenant But a Legally Binding Document. According to the Dispatch: Nathan said the church is considering its next step and he continues to hope for Christian mediation. But the two boards could not agree on the terms of an in-person meeting. I ultimately come to 'celebrate' with the heart of God, that one of His has a chance to be restored. So true pastor keep praying for reconciliation. The mother church of the Vineyard movement announced Sunday that it is disassociating from the charismatic denomination. The sexual relationship between the pair ended when the woman entered an out-of-state treatment facility for sex addiction. It was the BEST church experience we have ever had.until it wasnt. Currently, the communitys 500 plus members use it to network and discuss what its like being an **unbelieving leader** in a religious community. Membership covenants are obviously not about the church doing what is right by their people. Meanwhile, it has a senior leadership team in place to perform his pastoral duties. Comparing these two systems reveals the vilified State government to be the protector of the vulnerable who seek emotional and mental health support, which is downright shepherd-like compared to the predatory practice of caring for the needs of the emotionally fragile within the church by official biblical counselors. it is often said Follow the money. but if they keep the books and even the names of the board members a secret I guess it isnt very easy to follow the money. As much as it hurts all of us now, imagine how Fred's sins have been troubling God. The Clergy Project However, it appears that they are only asking for help with medical bills, which isunderstandablegiven the extent of the betrayal and her subsequent hospitalization. Brad Minus Jesus. I'm holding you and Fred up in prayer daily along with the rest of Fred's family. The statement says the decision is our best effort to respond to the distinct calling on our church at this time, and a desire to say yes to the Spirit.. Its the 1st contemporary worship song I ever heard. Obviously theres no fear of that, sooo how many people in church leadership positions even really believe in God? Yep- you guessed it. The stated reasons feel highly insufficient to the magnitude and impact of the decision.. Enlarged and Updated February 11, 2016. The Vineyard has its origins in the founding of a Calvary Chapel church by Kenn Gulliksen and his wife Joanie, members of Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa, in 1974, in Los Angeles in the United States. We ignored the occasional snide and catty comments from Alan Scott regarding Vineyard prior to his arrival. I find your comments so insightful, Nick. But the emails obtained by TRR show the board includes one longtime board member who is not a church staffer, four church staff members, and two outside pastors. 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